Is it just me, or has there been a noticeable shift in the tone of the lukewarmers and lukewarmistas over the past year or so?
I may be inaccurate, but to me, the term “lukewarm” tends to suggest that a person is tepid, or has a tepid acceptance of something. They are not hot for the idea, nor are they cold to it. They are so-so. Middle of the road. When it comes to the Lukers, they agree that warming is happening, but that it will likely be on the low end of projections. Nothing much to worry about. 2C at doubling, with little likelihood or evidence of positive feedbacks.
I was reading over at Lucia’s Blackboard and noticed this — strategy??? – on the part of Mosher and Lucia that seems to imply they “believe” in AGW and willingly speak of “warming” and write things like “as the earth warms” and even step in to openly deny accusations of fraud launched against the Team by the more strident deniers in the comments. What they do is complain about the attitude and behavior of some climate scientists towards “skeptics”.
IOW, they are concern trolls in the great global warming debate.
Here is the problem you face with lukewarmers. we accept the science. we dont accept some of the behavior of a small number of scientists. We think the science can and does survive this behavior, so we have NO PROBLEM saying the behavior was not best practices.
So, what is it with the lukers?
Am I wrong or is it not the case that now that CCC has pretty much validated the datasets, and several prominent bloggers like Mosher and Zeke have debunked the “station data quality has created warming” meme, and the “station drop outs has created warming” meme, the luker types are hedging their bets, turning down the volume and reducing the vitriol.
Are they trying to rewrite history, so that they can claim to have been on the “right side” all along?
Will we see them eventually start casting stones at people like McIntyre and Watts, they way they seem to be casting stones at Moncton?
Talk about a statement so wrong! I can’t stop laughing.
I’ve got scads of posts tagged “Monckton”. I’ve criticized his “science”, his ad homs, his complaining about midwestern accents, his decision to complain about people’s looks, his invocation of hitler etc. See
WRT Monckton and Anthony and the lukewarmers. There are a few
vocal people on the lukewarmer side. Its pretty safe to say that the self identified lukewarmers have no patience for monckton. In particular I’ve been very critical of him. WRT Anthony, I have plenty of issues WRT his positions
on certain scientific issues. I’ve made those criticisms clear over and over again. I’ve even done that on his blog. I think that most people criticize Anthony for the “science” he promotes on his site. Take for example, Goddard. My position here is pretty easy to understand. I would rather have blogs that display poor science, than mann’s climategatekeeping. That’s because I can read and think for myself. I frankly think Anthony’s editorial choices are nothing short of brilliant for his demographic. I would not say it is the best science or even good science or even science. It’s not.
Oh, there are a number of stalwart deniers haunting the comments, like Andrew_KY and raven and others but the former more strident lukewarmistas seem to be defending the temperature record and the theory, and stepping in to deny accusations of outright fraud against Mann and others.
Now their only schtick seems to be to knock Mann and Jones and the IPCC for not being “open enough” and “willing to admit mistakes” and “share data” and generally being big ol meanies to the new boys on the playground, like McIntyre. They continue to point to the hacked emails as proof that the scientists tried to manipulate peer review and hide data and be unscientific in demeanour, but they no longer seem as strident about warming being entirely inconsequential.
In fact, they seem to want a coup, and take over from the warmers:
The problem for those of us who believe in AGW is that we do not have people
with any imagination presenting the story. we have anonymous twerps like Tamino, and jerks like Romm and Lambert, and stuffy twits like Gavin. No sense of humor, no sense of audience. We might as well make a video of blowing school children up. Opps we did that.
get off my team. I don’t want people like you representing the belief in global warming.
Wow — that seems to me to be a huge turnaround. They are the true believers.
I think I even saw one of them questioning the claim that the MWP was warmer than today but maybe I was in such shock that I read incorrectly…
Am I right about this?
Are lukewarmers really just big ol concern trolls?